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one would be the debt ceiling. the second is the expiration of the continuing resolution that funds an agreement. if you can't reach an agreement, then you'd have a government shutdown. neither one of these outcomes is good. one though is immediately and totally catastrophic. that's the debt default. if republicans now -- if blackburn's comments maybe are indicative of something, if republicans now are moving away a little bit from the threat of the debt default and are now talking about the shutdown and the continuing resolution in this totally screwed up washington that we have right now with all these perverse incentives, that actually does represent progress if republicans are now only talking about a government shutdown and not a debt default. >> do you agree with that? >> i mean, not really. i know what you're saying but i don't really think we should give a lot of rewards. we citizens, we the political class, or we the media for different strains of this kind of leverage. i think the problem and it was in a
one would be the debt ceiling. the second is the expiration of the continuing resolution that funds an agreement. if you can't reach an agreement, then you'd have a government shutdown. neither one of these outcomes is good. one though is immediately and totally catastrophic. that's the debt default. if republicans now -- if blackburn's comments maybe are indicative of something, if republicans now are moving away a little bit from the threat of the debt default and are now talking about the...
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he's not negotiating over the debt ceiling. michael, is this more of what we're going to hear from him today? is he going to lay the groundwork for the battle ahead? >> i think so. to some degree i think what's happening is a game of chicken unfortunately. i know the financial markets hate it. and it kind of turns your stomach a little bit. but obama has said we're absolutely not negotiating over the weekend a significant event when the treasury department ruled out this kind of fantastical sounding option of minting a trillion dollar platinum coin. so they've closed yet another door, and he's essentially said, you know, i'm just not playing ball. i read that politico story today as very interesting. it could be john boehner's camp saying we can't control the far right wing. it could also be a little bit of a bluff. it may be that boehner really feels that way or maybe he wants the white house the think he feels that way and it could be, again, part of this grand game of chicken. everyone is positioning right now. that's what's
he's not negotiating over the debt ceiling. michael, is this more of what we're going to hear from him today? is he going to lay the groundwork for the battle ahead? >> i think so. to some degree i think what's happening is a game of chicken unfortunately. i know the financial markets hate it. and it kind of turns your stomach a little bit. but obama has said we're absolutely not negotiating over the weekend a significant event when the treasury department ruled out this kind of...
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the debt ceiling is going to be made. america is not at the end of the day going to --. on the other hand, they are not going to solve this quickly. they will make us go through the same thing they did at the end of 2012. david: we're always hearing that the president is not going to make a deal until he does make a deal and the same is true with congress but something is going to get done. let's focus on stocks for a second. we had this two very interesting bits of news from the tech market. apple waking up to news today that they are not selling as many iphone 5s as they thought they would therefore they are cutting back on supply orders. also the news from dell that they may be going private. is there a retrenchment -- retrenchment going on in the tech sector >> being a commodity person all my life, a commodity is a commodity and over time it loses value. dell has discovered that. that is one of the problems they are in. they have to get into a different business. apple came out with its iphone 5 which didn't shake the world. i have an iphone 4-s. why do i need an iph
the debt ceiling is going to be made. america is not at the end of the day going to --. on the other hand, they are not going to solve this quickly. they will make us go through the same thing they did at the end of 2012. david: we're always hearing that the president is not going to make a deal until he does make a deal and the same is true with congress but something is going to get done. let's focus on stocks for a second. we had this two very interesting bits of news from the tech market....
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regarding the debt ceiling. is that something that republicans are willing to do here, or it must be linked? the two have to go hand in hand? >> reporter: they are insisting, and when i say they, i'm talking about house republicans and the senate republican leader, but they have to go hand in hand. this is something that we heard over and over and over again when we had this debate the last time, back in the summer of 2011. andion that ve ioion you know t suzanne. but the house speaker and his aides are telling us that they really mean it this time. that there has to be a dollar of spending cuts for every dollar that the u.s. agrees to raise the debt limit. and that they would even go for a two or three-month extension as they try to work on a more global discussion of cutting spending. but even if there's an extension, it has to go point by point. the other thing i want to mention, suzanne, which i thought was really interesting, after covering the white house under george bush, that last question about the fac
regarding the debt ceiling. is that something that republicans are willing to do here, or it must be linked? the two have to go hand in hand? >> reporter: they are insisting, and when i say they, i'm talking about house republicans and the senate republican leader, but they have to go hand in hand. this is something that we heard over and over and over again when we had this debate the last time, back in the summer of 2011. andion that ve ioion you know t suzanne. but the house speaker...
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the debt ceiling and you did. last year you said you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling, this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not not have any conversations about extending the bush tax cuts, what i said we wouldn't extend bush tax cuts for wealthy and we didn't. we can argue during the campaign that i said, i set the criteria for wealthy at 250, and we ended up being at 400. but the fact of the matter is that millionaires, billionaires, are paying significantly more in taxes, just as i said. so from, you know, from the start my concern was making sure that we had a tax code that was fair and that protected the middle class and my biggest priority was making sure middle class tax
the debt ceiling and you did. last year you said you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy and you did. so as you say now that you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling, this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> well, first of all, juliana, take the example of this year and the fiscal cliff. i didn't say that i would not not have any...
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okay, charles, start with the debt ceiling talk. what you heard from the president. >> the tone was remarkable. he talk about the republicans being suspicious of the social security and medicare by the oldest saw that you could hear. then he added making sure empovrished children get food. that's over the top. he said i love to hang out with a congressional picnic at these people who want to starve america's chirp. interesting ini havation. then he went over and over on the debt ceiling and he must have gone through the same idea 15 times. saying this is about honoring the obligation and paying the bills we have already incured. he raised the debt ceiling on how to depend on the ongoing financial assistance from the foreign country to finance the reckless, fiscal pollty. the point of raising the debt ceiling is to allow to us borrow. he talked about the debt ceiling a dozen times. not once did he use the word "borrow." that means we are going to continue to borrow for every dollar the government spend, only 60 cents of it come from
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the issue is not the debt ceiling. the issue is the fundamental core problems of the country and the inability of our congressional leaders and our political class to actually solve them. >> neil: how is it that you are home to some of best? >> they are good for you. >> neil: ron shaich, just a message from wall street. okay. did you hear the one about teacher did not like her students and thoughts about a phobia that is now a lawsuit. we're going try this. what do we want to build next ? that's the question. every day. when you have the most advanced tools, you want to make something with them. something that helps. helps safeguard our shores. helps someone see through a wall of fire. helps those nowhere near the right doctor stand a chance. ... feeling in the extremities ? no. technology can do that. who can tell me the third life cycle stage of the frog ? it can take a sick kid to school. nathan. tadpole. and help ensure a constant supply of clean energy. the things we build share one belief. that the world's bigges
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ceiling or the debt limit. where do we go from here? joining me now live mark murray. mark, obviously, the first thing at least some conservatives brought up with the president is that he has taken a different stance in the past when it came to the debt ceiling. >> well, in 2006, then senator barack obama ended up voting against a raise in the debt ceiling. republicans have seized on that saying that the position that president obama's taking today and also in 2011 is inconsistent with that 2006 vote. there is one very big difference between now and 2006. 2006 there wasn't this kind of big protracted battle over the debt ceiling at all. it wasn't a big issue. i was covering politics for nbc at the time. the debt ceiling increase was seen as a procedure and a very partisan vote then but not something you were reporting on for weeks and months like we have in 2011 then and now on the debt ceiling debate and, of course, what happened in 2011 was a loss to the nation's credit rating. there's big differences between
ceiling or the debt limit. where do we go from here? joining me now live mark murray. mark, obviously, the first thing at least some conservatives brought up with the president is that he has taken a different stance in the past when it came to the debt ceiling. >> well, in 2006, then senator barack obama ended up voting against a raise in the debt ceiling. republicans have seized on that saying that the position that president obama's taking today and also in 2011 is inconsistent with...
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they play to hold the debt ceiling hostage. aides say half the conference is ready to let the nation default. speaker boehner will school them on the real threat later this week. even a temporary extension for, say, two or three months could rattle the markets and threaten the nation's credit rating. last time they hashled out a debt deal? summer of 2011 and we ended up more than a trillion dollars in mandatory spending cuts and congress still hasn't addressed and delayed again until march. we start with nbc's peter alexander outside the white house. peter, the president also told congress if they don't want to take the political risk of raising the limit, give him the power. he'll do it himself. >> reporter: that's clear f. you aren't going to do it, i'll do it myself. in essence today, toure, he basically dared congress not to up the debt ceiling today. obviously, one of the comments he said that i think is pretty interesting is saying in his own language, they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the econom
they play to hold the debt ceiling hostage. aides say half the conference is ready to let the nation default. speaker boehner will school them on the real threat later this week. even a temporary extension for, say, two or three months could rattle the markets and threaten the nation's credit rating. last time they hashled out a debt deal? summer of 2011 and we ended up more than a trillion dollars in mandatory spending cuts and congress still hasn't addressed and delayed again until march. we...
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chris: they win. >> they're afraid of a debt ceiling confrontation or actually defaulting on the debt. they don't want to be blamed for that. >> the tea party people are not here to legislate. they're here to de'mon strailt. -- to demonstrate. they didn't get to do it on the fiscal cliff in the end. they want to do it to something and go over the edge. and this will take them over the edge and they will lose politically and the president is going to have to scramble to shut things down. and credit ratings will be affected. chris: when is the public going to make a verdict on whether they like that kind of behavior? >> they sort of did in the last election. chris: and 12 of our regulars including you, howard, can president obama split off enough republicans to win the big fights copping up on debt and the budget -- coming up on debt and the budget and guns? eight say yes. four say no. howard, you voted with the majority nt at least on the debt and budget issues and you're wary on the gun thing. >> yeah. and for the reasons that john was saying. because a lot of democrats who will be ru
chris: they win. >> they're afraid of a debt ceiling confrontation or actually defaulting on the debt. they don't want to be blamed for that. >> the tea party people are not here to legislate. they're here to de'mon strailt. -- to demonstrate. they didn't get to do it on the fiscal cliff in the end. they want to do it to something and go over the edge. and this will take them over the edge and they will lose politically and the president is going to have to scramble to shut things...
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. >>> battle over the debt ceiling and spending cuts. jon harwood will recap the latest war of words doming up next. then words from the billionaire executive who says we need to watch out for creeping socialism into the country. he was born in hungary and he sees a lot of warning signs. >>> plus nightmare on housing. so called zombie homes. what are they? this will shock you. back in a moment. [ male announcer ] you've climbed a few mountains during your time. and having an investment expert like northern trust by your side makes all the difference. we add precision to your portfolio construction by directly matching your assets and your risk preferences against your own unique life goals. we call it goals driven investing. after all, you don't climb a mountain just to sit at the top. you look around for other mountains to climb. ♪ expertise matters. find it at northern trust. >>> welcome back. zombie homes, have you heard of this? diana olick tells us what they are and how they can impact your property value. >> they are foreclosures
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we expect him to talk about the debt ceiling. we're going to bring his comments to you live. >>> it's been one month since the tragic shooting at sandy hook elementary school. politicians at the state and federal level are scrambling to find ways to end gun violence in america. and one of them maryland governor martin o'malley outlined plans for what he says would be the toughest gun laws in the country. >> this would be a comprehensive legislative package to prevent gun violence and it addresses not only the guns but mental health and school safety. briefly, it will ban military assault weapons that have no place on the streets of baltimore or no other neighborhood in our state and it will limit the size of magazines in order to make it harder for criminals to gun down in succession police officers or school children. >> that might work for a state like maryland, a very blue state, but maybe not so much at a federal level. david keane, the president of the national rifle association, says, yeah, it will be a whole different stor
we expect him to talk about the debt ceiling. we're going to bring his comments to you live. >>> it's been one month since the tragic shooting at sandy hook elementary school. politicians at the state and federal level are scrambling to find ways to end gun violence in america. and one of them maryland governor martin o'malley outlined plans for what he says would be the toughest gun laws in the country. >> this would be a comprehensive legislative package to prevent gun violence...
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this time of course it' over the debt ceiling. and it's going to be big, because it really reflects two different visions of what the debt ceiling is all about. for the president, you heard today, it's about paying your bill. going to a restaurant. picking up the tab for food you've already eaten. fine. >> very common sense, yes. >> very common sense. for republicans, it's about solving a problem. making a government that is too big, smaller and getting control of runaway spending on entitlements like social security and medicare and fixing a long-term problem. it's not just about paying the bills. it's about the future. >> right, but there are also a lot of political calculations in here. i assume they're very close to the political calculations we saw in the last crisis. >> yes, they are, although, you know, in the last crisis it was very clear that the president had the let me rverage. he had just won the election. he had won an election over the tax issue and the republicans lost over the tax issue. they're pushing that so far
this time of course it' over the debt ceiling. and it's going to be big, because it really reflects two different visions of what the debt ceiling is all about. for the president, you heard today, it's about paying your bill. going to a restaurant. picking up the tab for food you've already eaten. fine. >> very common sense, yes. >> very common sense. for republicans, it's about solving a problem. making a government that is too big, smaller and getting control of runaway spending...
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i will not negotiate over the debt ceiling. congress has to do its job. >> woodruff: when it comes to the republicans jake sherman, you've been talking to some of the folks on the hill. they were digging in their heels just as much as the president was. what was their reaction? >> i think they have... they see this situation as three big issues: the government funding issue. that runs dry at the end of march. the debt ceiling. and these automatic spending cuts that take hold at the beginning of march. they want to use these opportunities. they don't think it's so bad to shut down the government or to default on the debt. they are even skeptical of the administration's estimates of when that will happen. so they see themselves really having very little leverage besides doing something which a lot of americans would consider extreme which is defaulting on the debt or shutting down the government. now i think it's virtually impossible that speaker john boehner will raise the debt ceiling without commensurate spending cuts. he's wa
i will not negotiate over the debt ceiling. congress has to do its job. >> woodruff: when it comes to the republicans jake sherman, you've been talking to some of the folks on the hill. they were digging in their heels just as much as the president was. what was their reaction? >> i think they have... they see this situation as three big issues: the government funding issue. that runs dry at the end of march. the debt ceiling. and these automatic spending cuts that take hold at the...
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debt ceiling, he's going to make his statement that he's not going to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip. but we've got to get to sitting down and working out a deal that's going to really address the nation's problems. we've got to do something about guns. he's got to stake out some territory in which the white house won't retreat from. >> chip, how much is this a sell of the american people? >> well, i mean, i think right now as kind of like the governor said, set the tone. >> forgive me for interrupting but the president is out now in the eastern room. let's take a listen. >> good morning. i thought it might make some sense to take some questions this week as my first term comes to an end. it's been a busy and productive four years, and i expect the same for the next four years. i intend to carry out the agenda that i campaigned on, agenda for new jobs, new opportunity, and new security for the middle class. now, right now our economy is growing and our businesses are creating new jobs. so we are poised for a good year if we make smart decisions and sound investments. and as long
debt ceiling, he's going to make his statement that he's not going to use the debt ceiling as a bargaining chip. but we've got to get to sitting down and working out a deal that's going to really address the nation's problems. we've got to do something about guns. he's got to stake out some territory in which the white house won't retreat from. >> chip, how much is this a sell of the american people? >> well, i mean, i think right now as kind of like the governor said, set the tone....
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on the debt ceiling, and you did. last year you said that you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. and you did. so if you say now you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> first of all, julianna, let's take the example this year in the fiscal cliff. i did not say i wouldn't have any conversations at all about extending the bush tax cuts. what i said was we weren't going to extend bush tax cuts for the wealthy. and we didn't. now, you can argue that during the campaign i said -- i set the criteria for wealthy at 250 and we ended up being at 400, but the fact of the matter is, millionaires, billionaires are paying significantly more in taxes, just as i said. so from the start, my concern was making sure that we had a tax code that was fair and that protected the middle class, and my biggest priority was making sure the middle class
on the debt ceiling, and you did. last year you said that you wouldn't extend any of the bush tax cuts for the wealthy. and you did. so if you say now you're not going to negotiate on the debt ceiling this year, why should house republicans take that seriously and think that if we get to the one minute to midnight scenario that you're not going to back down? >> first of all, julianna, let's take the example this year in the fiscal cliff. i did not say i wouldn't have any conversations at...
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ceiling, and your own history on the debt ceiling. and doesn't that suggest that we are going to go into a default situation because no one is talking to each other about how to resolve this? >> well, no, major, i think if you look at the history, getting votes for the debt ceiling is always difficult, and budgets in this town are always difficult. i went through this just last year. but what's different is we never saw a situation as we saw last year in which certain groups in congress took such an absolutist position that we came within a few days of defaulting. and the fact of the matter is, is that we have never seen the debt ceiling used in this fashion, where the notion was, you know what, we might default unless we get 100 percent of what we want. that hasn't happened. now, as i indicated before, i'm happy to have a conversation about how we reduce our deficits further in a sensible way. although one thing i want to point out is that the american people are also concerned about how we grow our economy, how we put people back to
ceiling, and your own history on the debt ceiling. and doesn't that suggest that we are going to go into a default situation because no one is talking to each other about how to resolve this? >> well, no, major, i think if you look at the history, getting votes for the debt ceiling is always difficult, and budgets in this town are always difficult. i went through this just last year. but what's different is we never saw a situation as we saw last year in which certain groups in congress...
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debt ceiling. this time around, the president is telling house republicans they can do it his way or own the blame. here he was. >> and republicans in congress have two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. >> also, need to tell you the president did speak about his gun violence effort. he's had the package put together by the vice president is on his desk today. and he will talk about it a little later on this week. want to bring in two people here, ali velshi with me from new york, and gloria borger there in our nation's capital, to you both welcome. ali, it has been more than a year since that whole previous debt limit debacle. and i know you are saying, especially comparing this to what we just saw on new year's day with the fiscal cliff, this is going to be much, much worse, much bigger deal. talk to me ab
debt ceiling. this time around, the president is telling house republicans they can do it his way or own the blame. here he was. >> and republicans in congress have two choices here. they can act responsibly and pay america's bills, or they can act irresponsibly and put america through another economic crisis. but they will not collect a ransom in exchange for not crashing the american economy. >> also, need to tell you the president did speak about his gun violence effort. he's had...
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raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficit, america can't afford another debate with this congress whether or not they should pay the bills they already racked up. if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on time, social security checks and veterans benefits will be delayed. we might not be able to pay our troops and honor our contracts with small business owners. food inspectors, air traffic controllers, wouldn't get their paychecks. invest ors around the world will ask if america is a safe bet? markets could go haywire, interest rates would spike. every student can a college loan, every small business owner who wants to hire, it would be a self-inflicted wound on the economy. it would slow down our growth, might tip us into a recession. and ironically would p
raising the debt ceiling does not authorize more spending. it simply allows the country to pay for spending that congress has already committed to. these are bills that have already been racked up. and we need to pay them. so while i'm willing to compromise and find common ground over how to reduce our deficit, america can't afford another debate with this congress whether or not they should pay the bills they already racked up. if congressional republicans refuse to pay america's bills on...
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in 2011 when we had the debt ceiling debacle, they agreed to the budget control act which was another billion dollars, roughly, of cuts. again, mostly from if not entirely from discretionary programs. and then, of course, we had the fiscal cliff which was $650 billion of revenue increases. so so far, we've actually had $2.4 trillion over a ten-year period of deficit reduction. but about 30% of it has come from rev lienue increases and at the other 70% from come from spending cuts. entirely from discretionary programs. >> what's the budget control act? >> it's what came out of the last debt ceiling debacle when the republicans and the democrats agreed on this trillion dollars of roughly discretionary -- all discretionary spending reductions. but the point is, none of this really touches entitlements. none of it touches the mandatory. and its $2.4 trillion. >> where is the sequestration in these numbers? >> it's not in here yet because it hasn't happened yet. this is sort of where we are today. this next graph shows you how budget wonks measure our progress. if we had done nothing, we w
in 2011 when we had the debt ceiling debacle, they agreed to the budget control act which was another billion dollars, roughly, of cuts. again, mostly from if not entirely from discretionary programs. and then, of course, we had the fiscal cliff which was $650 billion of revenue increases. so so far, we've actually had $2.4 trillion over a ten-year period of deficit reduction. but about 30% of it has come from rev lienue increases and at the other 70% from come from spending cuts. entirely from...
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could hit the debt ceiling and one out of money. a new report by the bipartisan policy center on this. but first, a news update from c- span radio. joe biden will meet today with house members to talk about how to reduce gun violence. senators plan to introduce a bill that would limit the size of ammunition magazines. at least one senator says congress is unlikely to pass it. a day long forum is taking place today in baltimore. the conference will take a look at the brady handgun law and improving background checks. michael bloomberg will be addressing the group. it begins at 9:00 p.m. eastern and you can watch it on c-span2. the house returns today and will consider aid to victims of super storm sandy. conservatives are mounting a not so fast campaign against and nearly $60 billion aid package for the sandy victims lawmakers hope to pushed through the house this week. the complaint is lots of the money will go toward recovery efforts for past disasters and other projects not related to the late november storm. $150 million for fish
could hit the debt ceiling and one out of money. a new report by the bipartisan policy center on this. but first, a news update from c- span radio. joe biden will meet today with house members to talk about how to reduce gun violence. senators plan to introduce a bill that would limit the size of ammunition magazines. at least one senator says congress is unlikely to pass it. a day long forum is taking place today in baltimore. the conference will take a look at the brady handgun law and...